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    DearWife

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    Boeing 777 Crashes at SFO - Live Stream

    Post  DearWife on Sat 06 Jul 2013, 10:04 pm

    Live Stream:
    http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/ktvu-live-news/vtSfR/?updated

    " KTVU and AP Wires

    SAN FRANCISCO —

    At least two people were killed Saturday when an Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashed and burst into flames while landing at San Francisco International Airport, a fire department source told KTVU.

    Meanwhile, according to dispatcher for the San Francisco Fire Department at least 61 people were injured. The San Francisco Fire Department transported 13 of the injured to hospitals while the San Mateo County Fire Department carried away 48 people for treatment, the dispatcher said.

    Firefighters and emergency crews from San Francisco, Redwood City, San Mateo responded to the airport and dosed the burning plane with foam to extinguished the fully engulfed aircraft.

    Meanwhile, officials have closed all access to the airport and arriving flights were being diverted to nearby Oakland International .

    Flight 214 from Seoul, South Korea was on a direct flight and was landing onto runway 28 at around 11:30 a.m. According to a witness, the plane was just about to land -- its landing gear had come down -- when the tail of the plane came off.

    After wobbling for a minute, it appeared that the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway on it's back, according to witness Kathy Muhler.

    Chopper footage from over the crash showed that the wings were still attached, contradicting the possibility that it rolled over on its back.

    When it came to a halt, smoke was pouring from the aircraft. Fire crews responded minutes later, Muhler said.

    According to Redwood City Fire Department, three alarms have been called and responding crews are reporting passengers in need of burn treatment.

    The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) announced it was sending a team of investigators to San Francisco to determine the cause of crash. The team will be lead NTSB chairman Deborah Hersman.

    As of noon, all flights into SFO were canceled because of the crash and all roads to the aiport were closed -- CHP suggested drivers avoid Hwy 101 and use I-280 instead.

    It was unclear when SFO would be re-opened.

    According to his Twitter feed, David Eun, the executive vice president of Samsung, was on the flight when it crashed.

    "I just crash landed at SFO. Tail ripped off. Most everyone seems fine. I'm ok. Surreal..." tweeted Eun minutes after noon Saturday.

    The 777-200 is a long-range plane from Boeing. The twin-engine aircraft is one of the world's most popular long-distance planes, often used for flights of 12 hours or more, from one continent to another. The airline's website says its 777s can carry between 246 to 300 passengers.

    The last time a large U.S. airline lost a plane in a fatal crash was an American Airlines Airbus A300 taking off from JFK in 2001.

    Smaller airlines have had crashes since then. The last fatal U.S. crash was a Continental Express flight operated by Colgan Air, which crashed into a house near Buffalo, N.Y. on Feb. 12, 2009. The crash killed all 49 people on board and one man in a house."

    http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/boeing-777-crashes-while-landing-sfo/nYfcx/
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    Post  DearWife on Sun 07 Jul 2013, 3:24 am

    Witness:

    "The wheels ... were too low, too soon"

    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/07/06/sot-witness-from-hotel-emotional.ktvu.html

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    Post  Don in Hollister on Sun 07 Jul 2013, 9:44 am

    DearWife wrote:Witness:

    "The wheels ... were too low, too soon"

    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/07/06/sot-witness-from-hotel-emotional.ktvu.html

    Hi DearWife. Being an old pilot I sure hate saying this, but it seems the triple 7 crash was pilot error. He undershot the runway and pulled the nose up to sharp causing the tail assembly to hit the seawall shearing it off just aft of the bulk wall.

    This is the second crash for the triple 7 since its introduction in 1995 and the first in which there were fatalities. It was completely designed by computer and is a fly by wire aircraft. Fly by wire is something else. Whatever you do the aircraft is going to respond like right now. There is no hesitation. It is sort of like driving a sports car versus a Mac Truck.

    From what I have seen of the crash I would not hesitate for one second to fly on a triple 7. It has got to be one of the most robust aircraft of this type to be built. It took a hell of beating but stayed together. Of course like all aircraft I doubt it would survive a head on crash into a mountain or the earth. There is a limit to survivability. Take Care…the old flyboy Don
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    Post  beejean on Sun 07 Jul 2013, 2:53 pm

    Hey Don,

    I think that your expression of the experience you've had with such flight maneuvers was helpful, and maybe is assuaging some concerns that the plane could have taken a hit from a shoulder fired RPG as it made its approach.

    Thanks from beejean
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    Post  DearWife on Sun 07 Jul 2013, 9:34 pm

    Hi Don and beejean, here is another update:

    The two killed were 16 year old girls Ye Mengyuan and Wang Linjia; students from China who came here to attend a camp with their classmates.

    "-- The cockpit voice recorder of Asiana Flight 214 reveal the pilots called to initiate a "go-around" at another landing 1.5 second before impact, NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman told reporters on Sunday.

    --"There is no discussion of any aircraft anomalies or concerns with the approach," National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Deborah Hersman told reporters Sunday, providing an update on Saturday's plane crash. She said a call from a crew member to increase speed was made approximately seven seconds before impact."

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/plane-crash-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    I didn't get to watch the live news conference from the NTSB, so not sure what is meant by go-around.

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    Post  Don in Hollister on Sun 07 Jul 2013, 10:28 pm

    Hi DearWife. “Go Around” means to stop the attempt to land and to stay airborne. In other words keep on flying and make a second attempt at landing.

    The target landing speed is 137 knots. The speed was below that and the plane was too low. To low and to slow is a disaster looking for a place to happen. Coming in for a landing over water is a problem in that you don’t have very good depth perception in that there is nothing to see such as cars, trees, buildings that would allow you to judge how big it would look from a certain altitude. Take Care…Don
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    Post  DearWife on Mon 08 Jul 2013, 3:18 am

    Hi Don. Thank-you for explaining. It is kind of scary when landing and all you see is water all around. That has been my experience every time I've traveled back home to either the Oakland/SFO airports. One time we had a hard landing on Alaska airlines coming home from Washington state in the evening back to Oakland, that made a few of us passengers cringe. One lady I saw bounced up in her seat and said, "Oh my!".

    Here's an update of photos of the wreckage:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/06/us/gallery/san-fransisco-plane-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/ye-mengyuan-wang-linjia-sfo-plane-crash_n_3557013.html

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    Post  Don in Hollister on Mon 08 Jul 2013, 3:47 pm

    Hi DearWife. Some pilots like to pull the throttles all the way back to idle and coast in when they are on final approach. That was what got the pilot flying flight 214 in trouble. I have never agreed with that procedure simply because you are no longer flying the plane. You really don’t have 100% control of it although there are times I do believe you are never really 100% in control of the plane you’re flying.

    In all of the years that I flew never, never, never did I ever pull by throttles back to idle with on final. If my desired landing speed was 100 knots I came in at 115 knots. I maintained that speed for a couple of seconds even after the wheels were on the runway. This way if something suddenly came up in front of me all I had to do was pull the yoke back a little and I would be airborne again. I would declare a missed approach and go around for another try.

    Only once did I ever have to abort the landing. This was because my nose gear gave me an indication that it was not down and locked. When the alarm went off it scared about 20 years off of me. It took me a couple of seconds to find the damn switch to turn that noisy thing off. I contact the tower and told them what happened and requested that I could make a low slow fly by so they could check the nose gear for me. They confirmed that it was down, but had no way of knowing if it was locked. I got some altitude under me and bounced the aircraft to see if I couldn't get the light to go out. It didn’t blink one bit. By now the tower was more than aware I had a problem so they were rolling the crash vehicles. I told them I was going to land and keep the nose up as long as I could. When the nose started going down I would kill the engines and coast to a stop so the crash crews wouldn’t have to worry about getting wacked by a prop. When the nose gear touched the runway everything worked the way it should. When the plane stopped one of the crash crew people opened my storage compartment pulled out the gear lock pins and inserted them into the landing gears.

    Maintenance confirmed the nose gear lock was working perfectly. The problem was a loose electrical wire to my indicator prevented the signal from getting to it so it thought my nose gear didn’t come down. A couple of days later I got the clean shorts award for not soiling my underwear or sucking a hole in my seat.

    I don’t fly anymore as I can’t afford the insurance, cost of fuel, hanger fees and maintenance. That and having had 3 heart attacks I thought it was time to hang my wings up. Do I miss flying? Yes and no. I enjoy it but you have got to be on your toes every second you are at the controls. You have to be aware of what you are doing, but you also have to be aware of what you’re going to do. You’re always thinking of where you are going to be a second from now as much as you are thinking about what you’re doing at that exact moment. Take Care…Don

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